Comments on: Planning, DDA: City Council to Set Course? http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/03/24/planning-dda-city-council-to-set-course/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=planning-dda-city-council-to-set-course it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: anna ercoli schnitzer http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/03/24/planning-dda-city-council-to-set-course/comment-page-1/#comment-234379 anna ercoli schnitzer Sat, 30 Mar 2013 20:08:23 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=108812#comment-234379 RE: #19 And an excellent subsection it was, too! Dave’s perspective on “The Art of a Good Question” is a classic lesson that is broadly applicable to many situations beyond those of a “citizen journalist.”

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By: Dave Askins http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/03/24/planning-dda-city-council-to-set-course/comment-page-1/#comment-234306 Dave Askins Sat, 30 Mar 2013 15:36:39 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=108812#comment-234306 Re: [18] I had forgotten that it was actually a sub-section of the Ninth Monthly Milestone column: Here’s a link that goes right to a bookmark for that section: [link]

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By: Rod Johnson http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/03/24/planning-dda-city-council-to-set-course/comment-page-1/#comment-234302 Rod Johnson Sat, 30 Mar 2013 15:26:39 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=108812#comment-234302 Dave (#12), a link to that column (which I recall but not exactly where) would be welcome.

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By: observatory http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/03/24/planning-dda-city-council-to-set-course/comment-page-1/#comment-233296 observatory Thu, 28 Mar 2013 16:39:12 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=108812#comment-233296 CM photos look like they’ve just been sentenced to penalties deserved by the mayor and his appointees to the AATA and DDA.

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By: John Floyd http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/03/24/planning-dda-city-council-to-set-course/comment-page-1/#comment-232772 John Floyd Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:40:47 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=108812#comment-232772 BTW, I also picked Southern University to knock off Gonzaga. While Southern came pretty close, by now you may have guessed my bracket is not faring to well this year.

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By: John Floyd http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/03/24/planning-dda-city-council-to-set-course/comment-page-1/#comment-232770 John Floyd Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:39:17 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=108812#comment-232770 Perhaps people would feel less adamant about speaking at council if they felt there were other paths to getting council’s attention.

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By: Vivienne Armentrout http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/03/24/planning-dda-city-council-to-set-course/comment-page-1/#comment-232587 Vivienne Armentrout Tue, 26 Mar 2013 18:25:54 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=108812#comment-232587 Amen to (13). I just looked at the agenda. It seems to me that many items that are listed on the regular agenda could be moved to the consent agenda. The consent agenda is usually voted on with a single motion and minimal discussion. From a quick look, I don’t see why most of the items under New Business – Council could not have been added to consent agenda. (DC2-DC5) Likewise for DS1-DS4 (New Business – Staff). These are all basically housekeeping items. Councilmembers can request to have an item pulled from consent agenda if they wish. It would shorten the evening just because each item would not need to be read aloud and voted on – even 5 minutes each means an additional hour, approximately, for 10 items.

Proclamations and introductions at the beginning could also be severely curtailed. This meeting had only one, but sometimes these items frontload the meeting by at least half an hour.

This meeting had quite a few public hearings. Presumably that was partly because of a queue from Planning Commission. That will bulk up a meeting, especially if Tom Partridge asserts the right to speak at each one.

I would not propose shortening either the public comment or council discussion in order to shorten the meeting.

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By: Jim Rees http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/03/24/planning-dda-city-council-to-set-course/comment-page-1/#comment-232517 Jim Rees Tue, 26 Mar 2013 17:36:15 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=108812#comment-232517 I’m just glad Chronicle staff is willing to sit through those interminable meetings so I don’t have to.

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By: Dave Askins http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/03/24/planning-dda-city-council-to-set-course/comment-page-1/#comment-232510 Dave Askins Tue, 26 Mar 2013 17:30:06 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=108812#comment-232510 Re: [11] The last 45 minutes or so of the meeting was discussion of 413 E. Huron’s site plan, which began after midnight. It was evident from councilmember commentary during the initial deliberations that the council was likely to postpone. It was their choice to pursue the matter for that 45 minutes or however long it actually was. I can imagine an argument that as a matter of due process, the developer was owed some substantive consideration of the project at that meeting. Nevertheless, I don’t think it’s fair to say that the council was “forced” to work until 2 a.m.

Matt, when you describe structuring a process so that the council isn’t forced to work until 2 a.m., I’m understanding that as an interest in looking at the logistics of meeting management and trying to address meeting length from that perspective. I think that an inherent challenge in that approach is the need to balance: (1) the public interest in unfettered commentary; and (2) the reasonable expectation that the council will vote on the matter the same night as the public comment is entertained. If I were in charge of the “zoning regulations” for public comment, I would seek to discourage speakers from building lot-line-to-lot-line – that is, using the entire three minutes allotted. [Spoiler alert: I'm not in charge of that.]

But the current “reserved time” system limits public comment at the start of the meeting to just 10 people, for three minutes apiece. That creates pressure for “dense development” on your three-minute parcel, because it’s prime real estate. It’s reasonable to maximize the return on your three-minute parcel by building it lot-line-to-lot-line. Under the rules, you don’t create opportunity for additional people to speak by being brief: It’s 10 people – whether they each speak for 15 seconds or for three minutes. In my view, some of the most effective public commentary in my 4.5 years covering the city council has been the briefest. [Oh, yes, I do appreciate the irony of that statement coming from a guy whose publication traffics in tl;dr articles.]

But public speakers do not have to file a site plan for their comments with the likes of me. And every single time, I will fall on the side of defending someone’s right to use their entire allotted time to speak. I think that much of the public commentary that’s rendered is not very effective oratory, and wrote a column years ago describing what would be more effective. (It was basically the idea that you formulate a fair question and ask it, as a “journalist-citizen.”) But ultimately, effectiveness is in the ear of the speaker, and there’s no requirement that the comment be effective by anyone’s standard.

By way of wrapping up this comment, I’m not willing to blame the length of the meeting on just the long public commentary. The moratorium was before the council for the third time on March 18 – due to postponements on which the council did not deliberate. The DDA ordinance revisions were postponed for a second time at that meeting. So it’ll appear for the third time on April 1. The council itself has to share a least part of the responsibility for the sheer length of the meeting: When you kick a can down the road as a standard strategy, you can eventually end up with a lot of cans in front of your house.

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By: Matt Hampel http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/03/24/planning-dda-city-council-to-set-course/comment-page-1/#comment-232417 Matt Hampel Tue, 26 Mar 2013 16:21:20 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=108812#comment-232417 Do our leaders really make good decisions when we force them to work until 2 am? There has to be a way to structure this process that doesn’t lead to utter exhaustion.

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