Comments on: Washtenaw Board Sued Over Stand Your Ground

By: Dave Askins

Dave Askins — Sun, 27 Oct 2013 21:20:29 +0000

Just as a technical point, although the the filing includes Raaflaub's P-number, it also indicates that the filing is "pro se" – that is, he's representing himself. Given that he's currently suspended by the state bar from the practice of law, I think that's the only option (i.e., he could not represent some other party while he's suspended).

By: RLEmery

RLEmery — Sun, 27 Oct 2013 09:44:33 +0000

So a group of politicians, wish to infringe upon the inherent natural laws of self-defense, outside of their authority, and you are complaining about that David Cahill, LOL!

Progressives, no problems breaking the rules or the law when they do it, what a hypocrite!

By: Ray

Ray — Sat, 26 Oct 2013 16:52:33 +0000

“Well, guns actually do kill people”
After a person pulls the trigger or do the guns just take it upon themselves to kill a person? Enlighten me. /s

By: David Cahill

David Cahill — Sat, 26 Oct 2013 16:02:29 +0000

This suit should be summarily (and cheaply) dismissed. Quo warranto is used to determine by what right (or warrant) a person holds office, and for certain matters involving the loss of rights of a corporation. See generally Michigan Court Rule 3.306. It has nothing to do with lobbying efforts. Counties and municipalities (including Ann Arbor City) routinely lobby the Legislature.

Also, a citizen may not start a quo warranto suit just by filing it. MCR 3.306(B)(2) says that except for suits by the attorney general, suits for quo warranto “may be brought by the prosecuting attorney of the proper county, without leave of court, or by a citizen of the county by special leave of court.” So Raaflaub has to ask the Circuit Court “mother, may I?” and get permission to file the suit before filing it. He hasn’t gotten permission.

By: Peter Zetlin

Peter Zetlin — Sat, 26 Oct 2013 02:14:42 +0000

Well, guns actually do kill people. [link]

September 19, 2013 -- Ionia road rage shootout Initial investigation shows the Ionia men, ages 43 and 56, pulled into the car wash parking lot after a road rage incident. They exited their vehicles and eventually drew handguns and exchanged fire, police said. It wasn't clear what the two men were arguing about. Life EMS transported the men to Sparrow Ionia Hospital, where they were pronounced dead. Police said both men, whose identities have not been released, held permits to carry concealed weapons.

By: Ray

Ray — Fri, 25 Oct 2013 23:21:46 +0000

Alan, your comment does nothing to contribute in keeping people alive. Stick to the story.

By: Alan Goldsmith

Alan Goldsmith — Fri, 25 Oct 2013 19:16:17 +0000

So I’m guessing Ray and Mike are afraid to give their real names because President Obama is reading the Chronicle today and ready to send in Federal Marshalls to take away their firearms?

By: Ray

Ray — Fri, 25 Oct 2013 13:41:12 +0000

Kudos? Really? Considering there were two rapes, two assaults that resulted in a trip to the hospital and a murder, all in the span of two days around and on the campus of Eastern Michigan University, this is the best elected officials can come up with. The victims were truly the victims of false security promised by political hacks that are blind to reality and bend on a racial agenda that does not exist when it comes to self defense. Their list of “statistics” fall short of the truth regarding self defense, as recent studies released by the DOJ, CDC, and FBI, all backed by Obama’s executive orders, debunk the commissioners claims listed in their letter to the Govenor.

By: Mike

Mike — Fri, 25 Oct 2013 07:40:54 +0000

A County board of Commissioners for ANY county does not have the right or authority to lobby for legislation. That is NOT their function. Their function is to run their OWN county, not the state. If people want legislation enacted or repealed they need to go to their elected State Officials.

By: Alan Goldsmith

Alan Goldsmith — Thu, 24 Oct 2013 18:49:13 +0000

Kudos to the five board members for passing this resolution. Raaflaub is a failed political hack with an eye on his next campaign.