Comments on: Column: Mayoral Folk, Easy Listening http://annarborchronicle.com/2014/07/01/column-mayoral-folk-easy-listening/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=column-mayoral-folk-easy-listening it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: Glacial Erratic http://annarborchronicle.com/2014/07/01/column-mayoral-folk-easy-listening/comment-page-1/#comment-318042 Glacial Erratic Fri, 04 Jul 2014 19:11:39 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=139306#comment-318042 First, let me be clear that I do not comment anywhere else with this name and if there is someone who is using any version of it elsewhere, it’s not me.

There are plenty of folks who comment once, and some who comment regularly but erratically (that is, in bursts around specific issues or themes or when the spirit moves them), but it is still the case that there are a handful of people who comment ALL THE TIME, to a degree that they dominate the conversation. I have just counted all comments, inc “stopped watched” etc from the beginning of January to the end of March this year, and certain people in the categories I named commented more than twice, or more than three times, or even nearly five times as much as any one else. Someone else can count thru April, May, and June, and prove me wrong, but the beginning of this thread–before I got testy–doesn’t disprove the stats I have collected.

This is a different issue than the toxicity of the mLive comments, but I find it stifling; I also do see it as highly motivated. It’s both boring and a pity that this is what we seem to have.

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By: Donna Estabrook http://annarborchronicle.com/2014/07/01/column-mayoral-folk-easy-listening/comment-page-1/#comment-317833 Donna Estabrook Thu, 03 Jul 2014 01:10:04 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=139306#comment-317833 Thanks, Vivienne, for those links. I was completely ignorant about this whole issue. I wonder how many voters in Michigan will have heard of proposal 1 before they look at their ballot. It is a rather complex issue and the ballot language does not tell you much.

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By: Vivienne Armentrout http://annarborchronicle.com/2014/07/01/column-mayoral-folk-easy-listening/comment-page-1/#comment-317832 Vivienne Armentrout Thu, 03 Jul 2014 00:46:19 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=139306#comment-317832 Citizen’s Research Council has now come out with a memo about Proposal 1. [link]

They point out that this will mean a loss to the state’s General Fund (because the use tax has been going into the General Fund and would now be rerouted).

They also say that if the referendum is defeated, the PPT will continue for the next year. But Murph hinted in his tweet that there might be a lame-duck rollback of the PPT that would not have a hold-harmless provision for local governments. This is, of course, only speculation and was presented as such from a political insider.

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By: Vivienne Armentrout http://annarborchronicle.com/2014/07/01/column-mayoral-folk-easy-listening/comment-page-1/#comment-317820 Vivienne Armentrout Wed, 02 Jul 2014 22:02:06 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=139306#comment-317820 Whoops, should have been Ballotopedia. No dancing involved, at least not that kind.

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By: Vivienne Armentrout http://annarborchronicle.com/2014/07/01/column-mayoral-folk-easy-listening/comment-page-1/#comment-317818 Vivienne Armentrout Wed, 02 Jul 2014 21:55:03 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=139306#comment-317818 Donna, I had the same question. This is known as Proposal 1 (I think the 14 refers to the year) and is part of a complex package of bills that are aimed at replacing the business Personal Property Tax with (it seems to me) a complicated formula of applying the use tax to hold municipalities and authorities harmless, since they will lose a significant fraction of their property tax revenue when the PPT is withdrawn. Businesses hate the PPT, which is levied against equipment. The use tax is what is paid in place of sales tax on purchases and services from outside Michigan. My question is whether this will be a dependable source of revenue. However, the Michigan Municipal League and a slew of other public bodies are endorsing the ballot measure, since without it the PPT may be withdrawn anyway, but without a substitute source of revenue.

Murph (Richard Murphy) replied to my query on Twitter, which is how I got this information. He now works for the MML. Info can be found on their website. I also found this Balletopedia article helpful. [link]

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By: Donna Estabrook http://annarborchronicle.com/2014/07/01/column-mayoral-folk-easy-listening/comment-page-1/#comment-317816 Donna Estabrook Wed, 02 Jul 2014 21:44:32 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=139306#comment-317816 The reportage in the Chronicle is detailed and lengthy. It takes time and concentration to read an article. If you don’t live in Washtenaw County and, therefore, probably don’t have a personal interest in the content of the Chronicle I doubt that you would be reading, much less commenting on the articles. I do have an interest and am grateful to the Chronicle.

Does anyone know anything about proposal 14-1 on the Aug 5 ballot? I hadn’t heard it even mentioned until I saw my absentee ballot. Even after reading it I still don’t know what its import is.

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By: Dave Cahill http://annarborchronicle.com/2014/07/01/column-mayoral-folk-easy-listening/comment-page-1/#comment-317795 Dave Cahill Wed, 02 Jul 2014 17:40:27 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=139306#comment-317795 It’s your problem because I don’t pay much attention to what you write. The overwhelming majority of people who use their real names are people I know, and are from the AA area.

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By: abc http://annarborchronicle.com/2014/07/01/column-mayoral-folk-easy-listening/comment-page-1/#comment-317793 abc Wed, 02 Jul 2014 17:31:41 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=139306#comment-317793 @15 – Mr. Cahill, this is what I meant when I wrote, “…an online conversation can be a lot to manage, particularly if you want to be timely and thoughtful.”

You wrote,” For all I know, people using pen names are Republicans from Idaho.” Now maybe you were just being flippant but I find your choices to be interesting. This website is available to pretty much anyone, anywhere in the world. Why do you assume that all posters live here? And I guess it follows that since all posters live here, they must also be democrats, because this is liberal Ann Arbor. Wow. You might want to assume less and focus on what you actually know, which in this case are the words that someone writes. The difficulty of dialogue is focusing on just what is being communicated, without filtering it through our many biases. Is the speaker young or old, poor or wealthy, slovenly or slick, female or male, and of course, non-white or white? And as we all know there are many more biases out there.

The internet levels many of these biases and allows people to be judged by the content of their communications. Shouldn’t that be embraced?

Credibility lies in the words; the product of communication. We, as a people, put up with ‘credible’ authority figures, who lie to us all the time. Are they credible because we know their name and their job title? And one of the hardest things is to recognize the truth when it comes from an unexpected source; the child who observes a reality well beyond their years, or a non-expert who points out the problem to a befuddled expert. We all have heard that it is hard to speak truth to power. It may be harder for power to heed the truth when told plainly. Credibility is not bestowed, it is earned. And if I am not credible, to you, because you do not know my name, that’s your problem, not mine.

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By: Jack Eaton http://annarborchronicle.com/2014/07/01/column-mayoral-folk-easy-listening/comment-page-1/#comment-317785 Jack Eaton Wed, 02 Jul 2014 16:28:29 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=139306#comment-317785 Re (9) & (14) I guess I had not noticed that the number of comments here had declined over time. That would be a shame. The pleasure of reading the Chronicle is found both in the excellent coverage and the quality of commentary that flows from the articles. High quality reporting attracts intelligent readers which leads to interesting discussions.

I also participate in the comments on the dotcom or mLive or whatever it is now. It is not difficult to be the most reasonable commenter on that site. Amusingly, at about the time the dotcom editorial board endorsed my opponent in 2013, at least in part because of a perceived flaw in my temperament, I received a very nice email from the community engagement person at the publication complementing the quality of my on-line comments.

I recognize why an individual would want to remain anonymous when commenting. Too often public discourse devolves into verbal bullying. I post under my real name because I just do not care what others say about me. On the other hand, I also recognize how tiring it gets to be the target of shallow name calling and how some decent folks would want to avoid that. I enjoy a good comment whether posted anonymously or not.

I would just conclude this rambling comment with a reminder to provide financial support to the Chronicle. Quality is worth supporting.

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By: Dave Cahill http://annarborchronicle.com/2014/07/01/column-mayoral-folk-easy-listening/comment-page-1/#comment-317782 Dave Cahill Wed, 02 Jul 2014 15:59:06 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=139306#comment-317782 Fewer and fewer posters on the Chronicle use pen names because they have figured out that using pen names decreases credibility.

For all I know, people using pen names are Republicans from Idaho.

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