Comments on: More Steps for AATA Toward County Transit http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/07/22/more-steps-for-aata-toward-county-transit/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=more-steps-for-aata-toward-county-transit it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: Todd Austin http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/07/22/more-steps-for-aata-toward-county-transit/comment-page-1/#comment-70474 Todd Austin Mon, 08 Aug 2011 02:42:51 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=68166#comment-70474 Re; #5, Mr Cahill, I attended more than one public comment session in areas where there is presently essentially no bus service. The meetings were very well attended and those present were clearly very strongly in favor of expanding the bus service. I don’t use the bus now, mostly because it doesn’t run to my community outside of Ann Arbor. I’m delighted at the direction the plan is going and will be both a vocal supporter, happy taxpayer, and eager user once the system is in place. I’m tired of being forced to use a car to get to work – tired of the expense, the hassle, and the danger of extra miles behind a steering wheel.

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By: Jim Rees http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/07/22/more-steps-for-aata-toward-county-transit/comment-page-1/#comment-69481 Jim Rees Sun, 24 Jul 2011 14:48:16 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=68166#comment-69481 I don’t have the exact numbers in front of me but annual motor vehicle deaths in the county number in the dozens whereas deaths from creepy people number in the low single digits. And none of those creepy people deaths happen at the bus station. If car travel somehow feels safer, that’s a false security. Bus travel is much safer.

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By: cosmonıcan http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/07/22/more-steps-for-aata-toward-county-transit/comment-page-1/#comment-69480 cosmonıcan Sun, 24 Jul 2011 14:31:32 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=68166#comment-69480 I think Just Ken should share the genius of his insight with the police. Who knew that “creepy malefactors” and criminals were so easy to single out.

Is it their clothes? Maybe they had the effrontery to look at your women? How dare they. Certainly not because they made the mistake of being brown in our fair city—we are far too progressive and above the rest of our mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging society to think that!

How nice of the city to put up posters around town of that young man, he looks like a nice boy. Maybe I’ll hire him to babysit. That’s the kind of guy I want on MY bus.

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By: Dave Askins http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/07/22/more-steps-for-aata-toward-county-transit/comment-page-1/#comment-69479 Dave Askins Sun, 24 Jul 2011 14:16:14 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=68166#comment-69479 Re: [8] “How much if anything is the AATA going to spend on security?”

I wasn’t able to turn up anything definitive in a quick search of Chronicle archives, but from memory I think for Blake Transit Center in downtown Ann Arbor AATA contracts with Ann Arbor police department for a dedicated officer. AATA also pays for security guard at the Ypsi Transit Center. There’s also security video at the transit centers and on the buses.

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By: Just Ken http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/07/22/more-steps-for-aata-toward-county-transit/comment-page-1/#comment-69478 Just Ken Sun, 24 Jul 2011 13:29:45 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=68166#comment-69478 How much if anything is the AATA going to spend on security? It creeps me out picking up family and friends at bus hubs and seeing the assorted creepy malefactors lurking about there. Unless and until that is dealt with I’ll pay $5 a gallon and put up with horrible traffic conditions, parking tickets and pollution in order to keep them safe. Affordable, clean, comfortable, reliable and safe; Those ought to be the considerations for AATA policy not US DoT “Disadvantaged Business Enterprises” non-sense and suchlike. No wonder as Mr.Cahill noted the public is highly skeptical of all this, eh?

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By: Jim Rees http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/07/22/more-steps-for-aata-toward-county-transit/comment-page-1/#comment-69461 Jim Rees Sat, 23 Jul 2011 20:28:51 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=68166#comment-69461 I had to look up what the difference is between a retention pond and a detention pond. You learn something new every day.

I’m skeptical of the county-wide plan. I’d rather see the money and effort go toward making the system we have more usable. For me, AATA with its slow buses, missed connections, and infrequent service makes a nice backup plan for when my bicycle won’t work for some reason (bad weather usually) but I would not depend on it to get me to work on time every day.

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By: Edward Vielmetti http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/07/22/more-steps-for-aata-toward-county-transit/comment-page-1/#comment-69452 Edward Vielmetti Sat, 23 Jul 2011 16:03:45 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=68166#comment-69452 As a point of comparison, the parking garages are running in the low 30% of utiliization: [link]

Like the standard parking report, the comparison for May 2011 against May 2010 using that metric also showed an increase in demand: 33.22% in May 2010 compared to 34.94% in May 2011.

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By: David Cahill http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/07/22/more-steps-for-aata-toward-county-transit/comment-page-1/#comment-69451 David Cahill Sat, 23 Jul 2011 15:46:13 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=68166#comment-69451 All this stuff about the proposed comprehensive county-wide plan is all very nice.

But there is almost no public support for it besides people who already ride the bus. The AnnArbor.com polls (not the comments) are consistent on the negativity of the public for a plan that is projected to cost almost half a billion dollars.

So regardless of the plans, the project itself will crash and burn at the polls.

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By: Dave Askins http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/07/22/more-steps-for-aata-toward-county-transit/comment-page-1/#comment-69447 Dave Askins Sat, 23 Jul 2011 14:58:43 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=68166#comment-69447 Re: [2] “And, has AATA ever published numbers that measure their true effectiveness for scheduled routes? … Knowing how many (annual) passenger miles versus (annual) bus miles would …”

What AATA tracks (among various other measures) is “passengers per service hour.” The budgeted target is 31.8 and year-to-date it stands at 32.4. Here’s a link to performance data through May this year, plotted against the previous year. [.pdf of AATA operational performance through May]

Robert, I think the kind of statistic you want to see, translated to “passengers per service hour,” would be this: What is the maximum achievable passengers per service hour? Knowing that would allow you to divide the currently achieved “passengers per service hour” into the maximum achievable number and then have some kind of “efficiency” metric.

I’ve sent a query to the AATA’s manger of service development on getting that maximum.

Transportation planning is not my field, nor have I developed great expertise during the time I’ve covered the AATA. As a percentage of maximum capacity, however, my guess is that even a heavily-used system won’t show a huge efficiency measured the way you’re suggesting. Running a successful fixed-route service is partly a matter of regularity and consistency and reliability, meeting passengers expectations that the bus is going to be there, whether anybody’s there to ride it or not.

My guess is that it’ll be difficult to get a handle on that maximum. Here’s why. Imagine Scenario A where every bus is full all the time –because the bus is full when the start point of the route and those passengers stay on the bus until they reach the route terminus (nobody gets on or off). Now imagine Scenario B where every bus is full all the time, because the bus is full when it leaves and at every stop, everyone gets off the bus and the bus fills again with people waiting there. Both are “maximum” scenarios, but they’ll give you way different numbers for the “passengers per service hour” statistic. But those two scenarios would give the same number for the “passenger miles” statistic — which might be exactly why that’s the one you want. But measuring that statistic would be challenging. The AATA certainly tracks where people get on the bus, but does not track where they get off –- I’m not sure how they’d do that, even if they wanted to.

Ultimately, though, if your concern is about whether the AATA is being efficient with its money, the most direct measure of that is a statistic that former AATA board member Ted Annis championed — dollar cost per service hour. It’s budgeted for $107.51 this year. If you look at the .pdf you’ll see that they’ve met that goal every month year to date. The debate that Annis pushed was where to set the budgeted amount. Otherwise put, where should that target be, based on comparisons to peer transit systems? Here’s some previous Chronicle coverage [link] that documents his recommendations that the following targets be met: 1. $95/bus service hour by year-end 2010 2. $85/bus service hour by June 2011 3. $75/bus service hour by year-end 2011

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By: Vivienne Armentrout http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/07/22/more-steps-for-aata-toward-county-transit/comment-page-1/#comment-69446 Vivienne Armentrout Sat, 23 Jul 2011 14:54:11 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=68166#comment-69446 Re #2, actually AATA’s ridership numbers are up to the extent that some routes have had trouble accommodating all passengers at busy times. Every jump in gas prices brings in more riders.

They have also been engaged in efficiency and cost-effectiveness exercises for some years now (the nagging of former board member Ted Annis was very pointed).

As far as the Blake Transit Center expansion goes, it will still be needed since much or most traffic will still be in and to Ann Arbor (the center of the universe, yes?). Federal dollars come from real people and help to serve real people in Ann Arbor. Bus travel is essential for many people who can’t drive and for the rest of us it provides an escape from navigating congested streets and finding a place to park. Every person who travels downtown by bus frees up a parking space in a structure we don’t have to build. Blake is where the system knits together.

But as I stated in my recent blog post [link] and earlier ones, I’m concerned about the survival of our city bus service as these expansions occur.

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