Comments on: Art Commission Weighs Transitional Role http://annarborchronicle.com/2014/04/21/art-commission-weighs-transitional-role/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=art-commission-weighs-transitional-role it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: Dave Cahill http://annarborchronicle.com/2014/04/21/art-commission-weighs-transitional-role/comment-page-1/#comment-305272 Dave Cahill Mon, 28 Apr 2014 14:40:03 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=134911#comment-305272 I actually like the proposed East Stadium Bridges art!

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By: Steve Bean http://annarborchronicle.com/2014/04/21/art-commission-weighs-transitional-role/comment-page-1/#comment-304362 Steve Bean Thu, 24 Apr 2014 19:18:46 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=134911#comment-304362 Re: 14, “”Probably our city hall application was not fated to be the best display of his work.”

Perhaps due to the recommendation coming from an “art” commission.

In my own commission work (in obscurity—maybe that was a good thing after all) I and my colleagues offered a set of environmental goals [link] that were adopted by council and which included a “Health-Promoting Urban Environment”, intended to “[e]nsure that the built environment promotes public health and improvements to the natural environment”. Maybe we could have a HPUE commission instead. (That was my intention, to ultimately align the commission structure with the environmental—and later sustainability—goals to the extent it made sense.)

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By: Vivienne Armentrout http://annarborchronicle.com/2014/04/21/art-commission-weighs-transitional-role/comment-page-1/#comment-304359 Vivienne Armentrout Thu, 24 Apr 2014 18:55:38 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=134911#comment-304359 Actually, I find the fountain to be moderately attractive (even when it is not running) and it has not been complicit in any terrorist acts, so I see no point in demolishing it. Interesting how all of this has made art a political issue in a very negative way. It has certainly not been successful in embellishing Art’s image in Ann Arbor.

Check out Dreiseitl’s Wikipedia entry. It has links to descriptions of several of his works. Most of them do not involve sculpture. Rather, they use water as a main feature, often with functional water-cleansing attributes such as plants and natural filters. Often they are meant for human interaction (stepping stones, etc.) Probably our city hall application was not fated to be the best display of his work.

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By: Alan Goldsmith http://annarborchronicle.com/2014/04/21/art-commission-weighs-transitional-role/comment-page-1/#comment-304348 Alan Goldsmith Thu, 24 Apr 2014 18:10:00 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=134911#comment-304348 When Council votes to do this, I volunteer to call artist Dreiseitl to tell him. That is, if he can be found.

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By: Dave Cahill http://annarborchronicle.com/2014/04/21/art-commission-weighs-transitional-role/comment-page-1/#comment-304347 Dave Cahill Thu, 24 Apr 2014 18:04:33 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=134911#comment-304347 I’m waiting for Council to demolish the Dreiseitl fountain.

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By: Alan Goldsmith http://annarborchronicle.com/2014/04/21/art-commission-weighs-transitional-role/comment-page-1/#comment-304325 Alan Goldsmith Thu, 24 Apr 2014 16:21:20 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=134911#comment-304325 By appointing the members he did to the AAPAC , the Mayor single-handedly brought on the backlash that doomed the One Per Cent concept and poisoned the well for years to come when it comes to how the idea of ‘public art’ is view by people in Ann Arbor. Instead of listening to calls to balance his political rubber stamp appointees, he doubled down on exclusion, arrogance and nastiness, pushed ahead with the nearing million dollar Fountain and the shiny glass light fixture behind metal detectors and let the entire train wreck process continued as he left Committee members to twist slowly in the wind because he was clueless about the damage he and the committee were doing. A less arrogant and smarter political leader would have been able to figure it out and make adjustments but Mr. Hieftje This plan worked out well until the backlash from this and other mistakes resulted in comrades on Council losing their seats. Drinking the Hieftje Kool-Aid on art, the DDA, et. al. is exactly why there is a balance on Council today. Candidates running for the office would be wise to learn from the current Mayor’s failures.

Sadly, the hundreds of thousands of dollars for ‘art’ at the sewage treatment plant seems to be dead–if not, looking forward to pounding a stack in the heart of that brilliant idea in the future.

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By: Jack Eaton http://annarborchronicle.com/2014/04/21/art-commission-weighs-transitional-role/comment-page-1/#comment-304312 Jack Eaton Thu, 24 Apr 2014 15:48:27 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=134911#comment-304312 In comment (5) Fuzzbollah says about me that “you continue to talk about failure when you respond to any of my posts…” My comment mentions just one failure — the same one mentioned in the article — the failure to pass the arts millage.

The only time voters were given a chance to express support for public funding of art, they said no. As I recall, there was no organized opposition to the arts millage, but the proponents’ campaign did not convince the voters to support the use of public funds for art.

With regard to the percent for arts program, the Council ended that program before I was elected. That Council left unresolved what would happen to the uncommitted funds accumulated under the terminated percent for arts program. We were faced with the choice of selecting art projects that were sufficiently related to sewers and such or returning the funds to the restricted accounts from which they came.

Now the Arts Commission can recommend public art as part of projects undertaken by the City (baked-in) or look for art that is worth acquiring and using the pre-percent for arts methods of funding.

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By: David Cahill http://annarborchronicle.com/2014/04/21/art-commission-weighs-transitional-role/comment-page-1/#comment-304291 David Cahill Thu, 24 Apr 2014 12:42:47 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=134911#comment-304291 Jack Eaton’s summary of the saga of the Percent for Art program and its “mercy killing” by the Council is accurate. Our long municipal nightmare is over.

I consider Eaton and his allies on Councils to be reform-minded good government supporters who are trying to undo the worst excesses of the Hieftje era.

No one should be surprised that those who favor public subsidies of their pet projects will object to the end of the subsidies. That’s politics!

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By: Fuzzbollah http://annarborchronicle.com/2014/04/21/art-commission-weighs-transitional-role/comment-page-1/#comment-304085 Fuzzbollah Wed, 23 Apr 2014 20:04:59 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=134911#comment-304085 Libby, believe me, I WAS being generous. Perhaps you can use the right side of your brain and write a song about me and my use of the moniker Fuzzbollah, which means “The Fuzz of God”. Speaking of plays on words, when that piece of Public Art known as the Dreisteitl fountain is being called “The Hurinal” (do a little search up in the right hand corner), what effect does THAT have on public discourse and public perceptions of Ann Arbor’s Arts programs? I don’t recall your objections to that bit of name calling, but I do recall you recently describing the Argo Cascades as a “Disney ride”. Mr Eaton says in #3 “For a variety of reasons, the (Percent for Art) program became unpopular with voters”, could those kind of characterizations be at least one of the reasons?

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By: Dave Askins http://annarborchronicle.com/2014/04/21/art-commission-weighs-transitional-role/comment-page-1/#comment-304057 Dave Askins Wed, 23 Apr 2014 16:51:32 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=134911#comment-304057 Re: [6]

Libby, the Chronicle’s commenting policy is sketched out here: [link].

The vast majority of comments never enter the moderation queue because the default is automatic approval – with the provision that a comment from a first-time commenter is automatically sent to the moderation queue.

Various other technical reasons [hyperlinks, inclusion of various "watch words" typical of trolling comments (I don't think "curmudgeon" is on that list)] can also trigger assignment to the moderation queue.

Once a comment has appeared, we typically leave it in place, even if it doesn’t comply with the basic principle of “Be Generous.” On rare occasion, we’ve moved a comment to the Orphaned Comments page. If I were looking for reasons to banish comments to the Orphaned Comments page – on the grounds that they were not generous or that they engaged in gratuitous personal attack – I’m sure I could spend a chunk of time every day policing comments and arguing the nuances of meaning of words with commenters who feel aggrieved that their comment has been banished but some other comment has not been banished, even though the other comment was a more flagrant violation of whatever principle, etc. So I’m typically not looking for reasons to banish comments. Over the last five and a half years, I’d say that the customary reaction of readership to comments that don’t hew to the “Be Generous” principle has been, in responding, to “Be Generous Anyway.”

That basic approach has allowed me to spend almost no time ever policing comments, and I would like to keep it that way.

In closing, I would not like meta-commentary on the merits of other comments with respect to the commenting policy, or the commenting policy itself, to be a topic for discussion of the remainder of this thread.

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